[bangkok47]

From both the websites/forums I mentioned, the standard response to any question relating to HIV transmission by non penetrative sex, is usually this:

"HIV is unable to reproduce outside its living host (unlike many bacteria or fungi, which may do so under suitable conditions), except under laboratory conditions; therefore, it does not spread or maintain infectiousness outside its host".

This is also the opinion of the two hiv/std doctors who work on medhelp. One is dr.hook I believe. They both have 70 years experience between them working in a busy std clinic.

I am only repeating what I have read from these sites, as well as several others, regarding the transmission of hiv.

Researching my own (none) hiv exposure, led me to the two websites I have mentioned. They seem to be very well informed and respected.

What I have said relates to HIV and not other std's, as I don't feel I know enough about them to comment in any threads.

I have read Dr. Tan's website before. I don't think it contradicts at all what the other sites say.

A lot of the questions on these forums relate to none penetrative sex risks for hiv, and are often about the transfer of genital secretions in foreplay...mutual masturbation, fingering etc.

They are always assessed as zero risk activities for hiv, with or without genital secretions or blood, and with or without small cuts or nicks to the skin.

Why? Because they state hiv cannot reproduce and infect outside the body, unless under strict lab conditions.