Must Read For Thai Cheongsters

[alphonse]

Thanks for sharing!

Great stuff!

[indianmagicoil]

Originally Posted by Teekopek

Bro u can get a dozen when u go chiong at bangkok...nothing special about that...
Conclusion: fuck raw with a thai puying is a common thing.hope bros get this fact well in your head.no special reason needed.as long as she gets what she is after or as long as she likes.

Wow! Tatz a first time I'm hearing it. So far in my years of chionging no working girl will take such risks with a someone they met the first time. I must start a new field study on this topic "How Many WGs Will Screw You Raw the First Time" very soon. Thanks alot for your input.

For those kapo an update on my relationship:
My tirak has quit her job so I'm supplementing her lost income but not 100% so I've made it clear she still has to work and not sit at home the whole day watching lakorn & eating instant noodles. So far.. so good

BTW... This is not what I would recommend bros to do. As fellow chiongsters who know me have commented... "I'm not a player". 555... so true, so true.

[neyney]

whether ur this tirak, was a wl or the mainstream girl, i still wish you all the best.

[indianmagicoil]

Originally Posted by neyney

whether ur this tirak, was a wl or the mainstream girl, i still wish you all the best.

Thanks bro. Seriously I don't know how long this relationship can last but just enjoying the moment. Now still honeymoon period for her so if this can go beyond 6 months...

[glouyang]

Bro all i can say is u got a long way to go...always make your stand clear sbout $$.never spoil them or you will regret.Every relationships thai-singsapore relationships start this way.No money involve intially.1-2years later definetly won't be this way anymore.just like filling sand into a well,Never ends!.[/QUOTE]



bro u cant generalise like that. I am one who is in such a relationship and i dont think its how u described. My gf likes me to buy her things. The fact that she comes from a rich family and that she has enough money to never have to work a day for the rest of her life did not stop her from asking me to buy her gifts or such. I dont think its the money that matters to her. Gals like her like to be pampered and showered with love and the gesture of giving gifts and presents. It happens everywhere.

i agree though that there r many cases of bad apples and i have witness such cases myself. There r always 2 sides to a coin. At the end of the day, seeing right from the wrong is a very fine line and if we dont keep our eyes sharp then we risk the pitfalls that we heard ever so much.

[indianmagicoil]

Agreed bro Glouyang tat not all puyings r blood suckers but unfortunately many in this trade are if not why you think most do it. I congratulate you on your r-ship and wish u all the best. What I am gonna write maybe repeated in older posts or other forums/blogs but for the benefit of bros who may wanna understand a puying better...

Do so many bros think they enjoy being screwed every night by strange men? Some bros argue that some seem to enjoy it. Its the Thai way of dealing with things unpleasant... trying to find the silver lining in being fucked nightly by a different man. After the act you see whether those moans of pleasure means anything anymore.

Alot of girls come from the provinces, just to say you know how poor they are is nothing. You have to experience what kind of shitty conditions they live in to really understand why being screwed for Bht1000 a pop beats plucking fruit from a fricking tree for Bht100 a day. When you used to slave under the sun from morning til night getting all sunburnt and blistered just to earn less than S$5 when suddenly in less than 1/2 hour you make the equivalent of 10 days toil you will begin to comprehend.

Thais are taught in Buddhism that the body is just a shell and that bad karma from a previous life has condemned them to this suffering now. You may possess her body tonight but heart belongs to someone else. Why is it there are stories of puyings bringing home the bacon whilst their good for nothing lay about puchai stays at home drinking Sam Song all day? Why must they get screwed in what seems like a strange sense of filial piety?

Any relationship between 1st World and 3rd World is gonna involve some money. Its a matter of how much. Don't you buy your Singapore GF gifts, dinner, movies, holidays etc... too? Its just a matter of spending within your means and laying the rules down early in the game.

I can buy any bro a beer in Bangkok at my fav go-go if they care to dissect what makes the mind of a WL tick coz this post is getting to long. The rest who wanna F&F I just say... Mai dtong kit mak! Bpai teow muang Thai sanok & chok dee na!

[LCL7788]

If we agree to disagree thats cuz there is agreement that we are talking about the same thing.
An apple is an apple and a dog is a dog.
No point going into a tussle if Party A, Party B and Party C are not even chatting about same thing.

Some fellows have attempted to call this debate a comparison between Singaporean women and Thai women.
Complete nonsense leh.
Even if SOME Singaporean bitches are mean horrid spoilt and arrogant, what justifies comparing them to Thai SEX WORKERS?
You date a girl here and you PAY a professional whore to keep you company whether for a night a week or 6 months there - seems like 2 rather diff events to me.
Obviously your expectations will be very diff too.

You might be very good at KCing Thai tiraks from the sex scene but that doesn't mean what works for you is the norm or will work easily for others.
Most people do not meet date or marry people from the sex trade.

I have nothing against Thai women in general.
And I have no prejudices about people involved in serious relationships with Thai women.
A cousin married a rich Thai Chinese girl and at least one close friend also did the same.
It's their right and there is no reason to even slightly raise a eyebrow.
I know a Japanese guy who has been living in Thailand for almost ten years after meeting his Thai love there.
He is a very respected man in his field. I don't think anyone of his friends and family ever doubted his decision after they met her and saw that she was a welleducated cultured and intelligent girl.
One of my colleagues is a NUS educated PRC PR and he is wooing a pretty and posh Thai girl who is a ex-vendor consultant with a CV that even GIC will want to hire.
I am also jealous leh.
Nothing wrong there.

None of them are involved with hookers or ex-hookers.

If there is anything that is maybe prejudiced, it's the shock and horror of finding out somebody you know being involved with a character from the flesh trade.

So lets not turn this into some dumb and dumber thing involving national or racial stereotypes.

As for streotyping whores, I admit it is sometimes unfair.
But better safe than sorry.
All the stories you hear are just bullshit tales dreamt up of by dumb biased farangs? Don't think so.
Some are. But plenty of REAL horror tales going on around too.

Unless you are a KC playboy chee hong King, I wouldn't recommend going the extra mile with a Thai whore.

No normal person will enjoy being a whore.
But what is normal?
The prevailing moral beliefs and social system of the culture that person is in.
whether or not those things are right or wrong.
Opening your holes for money is no easy feat. It requires some surrendering of self respect.
So lets not say just treat these whores like how you treat normal gals.
They have a diff game plan and diff priorities.

If you can live with that diff then alright go ahead and what might be the time of your life. Only if you are a smart and clearheaded player.

But what if you are not?

Dont entertain fantasies and be burnt when you wake up.

Cuz its your own fault not the whore.

I am no Thai expert.
But I have seen the poverty out in the rural areas before at first hand.
And some wonder why Thaksin is so popular in many of those areas.
The truth is out there.
It is sad but I wasn't responsible for it.
Maybe prostitution has long been accepted in those parts as a solution to being stuck at the bottom of the barrel.
Doesn't make it any less an easy and possibly irresponsible way out.
Life is ugly and unfair but whoring is in no way a charity cause also mah.

All I am saying is let's not judge them too harshly but don't paint it as a Cinderella tale also lah.
And no need to offer excuses for them. They don't need extra ones.
There are plenty of more sad and real sob stories out there.

A brother of a good friend used to date a Thai bar girl he met while on station there. One long year later, many trips and a lot of money burnt before they call it quits.
I am sure he had some nice memories.
But most of it was not very pleasant.
Who likes to feel like a idiot pouring money into a bottomless pit?

One Bro pointed out that the stats of having a happy ending with a Thai WL tirak is 10% compare to 90% kanna cheat or used. I think it's much less than 5% actually.

starting ANY relationship on a money and gifts for sex and companionship kind of thinking is always going to create problems.
With a whore, this rule is a GIVEN.
Any relationship based on exploiting a big economic diff in the status of both party is always going to run into question and more questions.

I agree Its just a matter of spending within your means and laying the rules down early in the game. But easier said than done for some bros.
I agree Thais are also generally less prone to being conniving and manipulative in a malicious sense than eg. PRCs.
But doesn't changes the fact that with a whore you always wonder if you are only paying to buy something you think is real feelings and love.
End of the day when you find out it isn't maybe too late?

Keep your eyes sharp, your ears skeptic and your heart strong.
Raw or not, Carrot or not, still got to use Big Head and not just small Head.
But why bother lor?

Hahaha. Sorry for long post. We agree to disagree lah.

[indianmagicoil]

Wah bro u write until so long dunno how to reply you. But I'll try to keep the argument within topic and relevant.

I feel this topic is not about marriage with a girl thats not been a whore. Its not about Spore girl Vs Thai girl. Neither is it about paying the girl to accompany you 6 months, 1 week or 1 night. This also not advice on how to KT a whore.

Bros thinking of getting serious with a whore have to come to terms with one and only one thing. If the girl you fancy is still plying her trade... "Can you tolerate your girlfriend being screwed by other men?" Get over this very difficult stage that and you can proceed on.

What has been called "The White Knight Syndrome". This topic has been raised in the Farang Speaks Too Much forum. I shall not repeat it. Goggle it if you are curious. Don't fantasize that you can save her from all her troubles. Reality is you can't and if she really loves you she will understand this too. Refer to suteerak1099's post on what kind of shit these people get themselves into.

Any relationship purely based on sex for money is going to fail because thats all there is to it... MONEY. She stays with you for X number of days because you agreed to pay her X number of baht per day. No money, no honey.

You go out with a "normal" girl. You pay for dinner, the movie, taxi, maybe a gift etc... everything costs money. Why are we doing this? One of the reasons is sex. All the money you spent. Isn't that a transaction for sex though indirectly?

You don't treat them like "normal" girls because they are not "normal" girls but neither should you treat them like thrash even if some say they have lost their self respect by having sex with strangers.

Bro LCL7788, I'm not sure why you best friend's bro felt like an idiot after the whole affair. When one ends an affair with a "normal" girlfriend after putting in so much time, emotion and effort do they feel equally bitter or cheated? I'm guessing the money spent will be quite a bit but no one really mentions it because it was not on a working girl? Is it because our thinking is prejudiced so any heartbreak with a WL the money issue is also mentioned?

99% of relationships will not take make it because of the various issues mentioned and also we enter into such relationships with a different set of rules of engagement. There are bros who found bliss with ex-WLs as testament to some posts in this section but they are few and far between.

[The_Unrepentant]

wa all so loh soh one. now where is our sbf legend Junchi? anyone knows wat happened to him?

[indianmagicoil]

Originally Posted by The_Unrepentant

wa all so loh soh one. now where is our sbf legend Junchi? anyone knows wat happened to him?

Sorry for old uncle story because "tok kon gin kaao leow mai kii buat" or as they say "jia pa boh sai pang"

[LCL7788]

Originally Posted by indianmagicoil

I feel this topic is not about marriage with a girl thats not been a whore. Its not about Spore girl Vs Thai girl. Neither is it about paying the girl to accompany you 6 months, 1 week or 1 night. This also not advice on how to KT a whore.

Alamak, Bro indianmagicoil, Paisay lah.
I wasn't referring to your posts and opinions lah so sorry. In fact, I find your opinions generally thoughtful and reasonable.

If it's anything, I was referring to Bro Charmaine's old post in this thread. It collapsed too many different things into one long somewhat contradictory essay which I felt was a bit biased.
But I enjoy his posts very much and he did include disclaimers so no hard feelings to you or him please hor.
Anyway I agree with your main points and if there are minor disagreements we really agree to disagree oso lah.

Originally Posted by indianmagicoil

What has been called "The White Knight Syndrome".

I know exactly what you are talking about Bro , and I have always told my friends who frequent the commercial sex scene here, in Thailand or China to be wary.
We know of too many people out there who have been conned or burnt. And these are real life tales.
But sometimes the small head override big head lah. People might have PhDs but still cannot think. They think they are special and different and can "save' every whore they meet.
They want to be Prince Charming and Buddha to every Cinderella whore. With such unrealistic fantasies, sure tio fleeced and disappointed lah.

Originally Posted by indianmagicoil

Any relationship purely based on sex for money is going to fail because thats all there is to it...
...You go out with a "normal" girl. You pay for dinner, the movie, taxi, maybe a gift etc... Isn't that a transaction for sex though indirectly?

Well if you are in a KC thing with a whore you enter a grey no man's land where you don't know when the sex for money thing end and when something else a bit more concrete begins.
If you pass this test, you are in a relationship but it is still VERY diff from a "normal" R/S.
Most never even pass the exam.
Why?
Wrong expectations?
Got conned too early on?
Invest too much and receive lousy ROI?
Cold Feet?
Woke up?
All of the above?

If you are in a r/s with a whore and still directly or indirectly subsidizing her, are you out of the sex for money thing?
How will you know? When will you know?
Seasoned players can always tell but what of all those wide-eyed idiots out there? My advice is always for those gullible romantics: Stay away if you aren't prepared for a roller coaster ride and other possib consequences.
As for experienced old hands ... I know you guys wont lament as if sky fall down. It's your life so carry on!

I completely disagree with your statement about the indirect transaction for sex.
I hate to think about normal relationships in terms of JUST money. Or JUST sex. or JUST money and sex.
Call it feelings or comfort or what but there is something to fall back on.
It may still be a mutually useful exchange but at least it transcends JUST sex and money.
If you love someone, it wont ever just be about sex or material favours.
So much as I dont understand about socalled R/S with whore I am reluctant to compare it with socalled "normal" relations.
They are as you also agree very diff.

And you are right. They may be whores who trade their self respect somehow but many of them are still like you and me.
My point is just that they SHOULDN'T be treated as rubbish but you also don't have to treat them as special victims or suffering Mother Theresas.
They don't need our excuses because they are responsible for their own choices and plight to some extent.

Originally Posted by indianmagicoil

I'm guessing the money spent will be quite a bit but no one really mentions it because it was not on a working girl? Is it because our thinking is prejudiced so any heartbreak with a WL the money issue is also mentioned?

Hahaha. I think the puying broke his heart not his back or wallet lah. That's why he so heartbroken.
He is young and not the cheongster sort but good looking so easily kanna. She is a divorcee with a kid. Plus almost five years older.
I dont know the details but turn out she was kind of playing with his feelings. Cant blame her for keeping her options open of coz.
He hated the lies and bullshit and having to find out the truth the hard way.
He did spend quite a bit on her, including help to finance a car, a bike etc. but if he bitches it's not about the money per se but how in the end she only saw the money and not him.
Hope you can see the diff.
I could only jokingly tell him since we are not close that lucky it wasnt a PRC.
He treated it like he was with a "normal" girl although he tried he never 100% got over the bar girl bit

I know some REAL "normal" R/s can also take on a bit of this kind of what can you do for me kind of thinking.
Unless you are a player it is wrong. And R/S based on that cannot work at all.
With a whore however this kind of thinking is right there from the start and quite hard to get out of. Not just the suspicion on your part but also the greed and expectation on the girl's part.

Originally Posted by indianmagicoil

There are bros who found bliss with ex-WLs as testament to some posts in this section but they are few and far between.

Well BRo your this line says it all.
End of the day its all bout expectation. If you know what you want go ahead. If you don't or aren't sure you have the heart for this, then F&F is a far better choice.

[Javanoob]

Originally Posted by The_Unrepentant

wa all so loh soh one. now where is our sbf legend Junchi? anyone knows wat happened to him?

lol yesss... suddenly mentioning this name reminds me of the legend!
done singaporeans proud.

who say only thai guys are maeng daa ^_^: *just jk*

[indianmagicoil]

Originally Posted by LCL7788

Anyway I agree with your main points and if there are minor disagreements we really agree to disagree oso lah.

Hear! Hear! No hard feelings at all. This is after all a forum. So long as argument is rational I'm open to hear differing views.

Originally Posted by LCL7788

People might have PhDs but still cannot think.

Book smart but not street smart.

Originally Posted by LCL7788

Well if you are in a KC thing with a whore you enter a grey no man's land where you don't know when the sex for money thing end and when something else a bit more concrete begins.

Fully agreed. Varying shades of grey, a No-man's Land full of landmines and booby traps. Even some "experienced" chiongsters sometime can get "killed".

Originally Posted by LCL7788

If you are in a r/s with a whore and still directly or indirectly subsidizing her, are you out of the sex for money thing?

I still think same in r-ship with "normal" girl. Its all about the sex.

Originally Posted by LCL7788

He treated it like he was with a "normal" girl although he tried he never 100% got over the bar girl bit

Not easy as I said before. Mission Impossible for many.

Originally Posted by LCL7788

If you don't or aren't sure you have the heart for this, then F&F is a far better choice.

Yes... Yes... thats is the only choice. But small head sometimes talk louder than big head

Originally Posted by Javanoob

lol yesss... suddenly mentioning this name reminds me of the legend! done singaporeans proud. who say only thai guys are maeng daa ^_^: *just jk*

Wow! Macam like kung fu movie.... grand master goes into recluse and now everyone waits his return. I too young so hope he can share a few words of wisdom

[Javanoob]

Originally Posted by indianmagicoil

Wow! Macam like kung fu movie.... grand master goes into recluse and now everyone waits his return. I too young so hope he can share a few words of wisdom

hehe.. bro..
an advice from me, not sure u will heed it or not..

from my personal exp,
regardless of big or small head leading you,
regardless of true or fake love,

you need $ to through this journey.


List of examples
---------------
Phone bills - i chuck up alot in d past. (remb to use callback cards)
Air tickets + hotels
Allowance - if u wan her to stop working in tat line, better topup her abit.

Marriage - sin sawt, wedding dinner
Immigration - all those documents translations, embassy chops. processing fees, medical checkup.. etc

Hospital - for pregnant if u marksman like me. (but now govt give $ so i tink its ok)

MISC - her mother, her family etc etc.. xyz (but i make it a point, other then her parents, i dun entertain any other request from whatever whoever)

Language - better start picking it up, else u wont know what's happening and you will lost even in a quarrel.

---------------------------

Most important of all, a thumb of rule i always gauge..

i always ask myself this 2 question... before i do something..

1) if i am a thai guy, will i ....
2) if she is a sg ger, will i .....

more then often, you will realise that you are too good to the girl.


Rgds,
Noob

[The_Unrepentant]

Originally Posted by Javanoob

lol yesss... suddenly mentioning this name reminds me of the legend!
done singaporeans proud.

who say only thai guys are maeng daa ^_^: *just jk*

missed his jokes mak mak.