Fuck you Sam

[besafe]

1) I, for one, detest all the foul language and dragging of family members into an argument.

2) Racial discrimination exist in every country. Even same race discriminates. So what is new?

3) This is quite a forum ! Pleasurable and exciting.

THANK YOU SAM !!!

[Big Sexy]

mate... if you are really serious about spending the rest of your life here in sg.. then i suggest you get your fact correct... Singapore is NOT a part of East Asia

Originally Posted by dreamflower

simply because I was born and brought up in Singapore for most of my life, and Singlish is my native tongue...
my HEART is still East Asian and I still prefer East Asian food, so I think that's why I decided to return to live in Singapore...

[billgates]

Actually the same thing happened to me. I was at the lobby of a 5-star hotel when I saw a lau beng smoking in the corner. I approached him and said politely that he's not supposed to smoke there. I thought that was the end of it. Guess what? He slowly finished his ciggy, walked up to me and gave me a shove. What followed, was almost a fight in the hotel lobby, if not for the hotel staff who intervened.

Originally Posted by sammyboyfor

EG, when I saw someone smoking in a non smoking area. I'd go up to the person and POLITELY request that he/she put out the smoko. 99% of the time, I'd get abused in return. Often, I got challenged to a fight. NOT ONCE did I ever get compliance or an apology!!!!

There's a saying that the wealth of 95% of the population lies in the hands of the 5% (or something to that effect) and that's very true in SG. Who pulls the strings at GIC, Temasek, MAS etc? Look at ALL the directors in listed companies like SPH, DBS, SIA etc and you will the same names appearing like they're playing musical chairs (go to the public library and pull out the annual rpts to research for yourself).

The govt is smart as they maintain a group of middle-class, make sure they are given the idea that they "own" an HDB flat (in reality, u r just leasing it for 15-20 yrs before they tear it down), can go for a holiday once a year etc. Make sure there is no mass poverty and the rest will be happy.

Originally Posted by sammyboyfor

However, I simply could not feel in any way proud of a country where democracy is sham, where there is one set of laws for the ruling elite and another for the masses...where a father and son dynasty have been allowed to function unhindered without a squeak from the electorate.

[gdgal88]

Originally Posted by Big Sexy

mate... if you are really sincere about spending the rest of your life here in sg.. then i suggest you get your fact correct... Singapore is NOT a part of East Asia

Singapore is part of Southeast Asia rite? I remember reading about that in my geography textbook.. And since SEA is part of EA, doesnt that mean SG is part of EA? No??

Anyway, i've read 90% of the posts here, skipped the remaining 10% cos my mind automatically closed when it went "RUBBISH POST ALERT" Was surfing around when i saw this real interesting "Fuck You Sam" thread! Totally "turned" me on, since other threads are either talking about where to get sex drugs, or how much this new syt costs, etc etc... It does get boring for me. Mainly cos it doesnt concern me.

I actually agree with sam and big sexy, yes you can imagine me nodding my head as if i ate ecstacy. No, i never ate one before; it's just an example.

The kiasu-ness of stinkaporeans irks me. Im still a student, was an FL (i wont deny this, but i've quit) and i commute by public transport.

As a student, i pay my fees but the service i get just isnt worth the buck. I asked the programme coordinator a question and she directs me to heaven. But not all the staff are like that, i understand. But why are there pple who dun go the extra cm and place more hurdles onto the paths of others?

As a public commuter, i take the MRT and notice that the number of seats in the new trains have dropped drastically. Even though there are measures taken for people to be a human by giving way to those alighting as well as giving up your seat to "those who need it more than you", nobody BOTHERS. Okae, a small portion of commuters are actually considerate enough to give up their seats to the elderly.

But when i saw the number of elderly people board the crowded cabin that i was in, and nobody was standing up for them, i felt disgusted. Sadly, i dun have multiple butts so i could only give up my one and only seat to an old lady, who thanked me profusely for something that should have been a natural occurence. Glanced around and there was a seated tomboy, pleasuring herself with her psp and ignoring the old man standing rite infront of her. Youngsters these days. They need more moral education.

And when you're about to alight, you feel as if you're about to get body-slammed by the people waiting on the other side of the sliding doors. And i had to take a deep breath and brace myself for the onslaught. Then, BAM!! Auntie-in-the-ugly-dress scored a point! Oh!! The Stinky-Bangla scored a bonus with his grappling hands!!! (sorry, i personally do not like banglas. im sorry, but i have my reasons)

Talk about doors.

A guy opens the entrance door of a department store in a bid to leave and hold it when he noticed that there was someone coming in and decided to let her in first. And suddenly, he found himself reprimanded, "Why did you open the door for me? Do you have some ulterior motives?!"

Or, you get the cold treatment, as if it was your duty to open the door for that person, as if you werent there.

I cant imagine the precarious situation when i graduate and officially enter the workforce. Office politics can kill. Was a part-timer and was shocked at the way colleagues push the blame. They're such experts at the ancient art of Taichi!!

Stinkaporeans. Yea, i do have a pink i/c. I should stand on the side that Singaporeans do have redeeming qualities. But Stinkaporeans still stink la.

I think this post belongs to STOMP, not SBF....heh.

and maybe this post of mine is just another rubbish post. just waiting to get zapped. to heck with the zapping. but it's amazing to see how rep points can go up and down faster than a rollercoaster!!

[SirDennis]

LOL

This is the sort of topic you'd normally see in sgforums chit chat.

I dont think it's any secret that Singapore is first world economically, but still third world culturally. Uncle Lee has said it. There are articles in thh government controlled papers.

Let's get back to the important thing- women!

[closetspacefull]

Originally Posted by sammyboyfor

This second class citizen thing is all part of your imagination. I have never been treated any differently.

I'll tell you where you ARE treated as a second class citizen. It's right in your own backyard. Read Level the playing field for locals and foreigners in employment...by Leong Tze Hian - Sam's Alfresco Coffee

Are you kidding me? No discrimination in Australia... If you're living in La La Land. Pauline Hanson and One Nation Party rings a bell? As for leveling the playing field, how much more meritocratic can you make the system where everyone goes through the standardized PSLE, O-Levels, A-Levels exams. Education is cheap and everyone has the opportunity to win a scholarship to Harvard, Cambridge etc... which is usually (not always) a one way ticket to material security.

True, the system isn't perfect. Screw up in your teenage years and its hard to ride the train, but at least you have the options of being comfortably employed or you can always strive to be an entrepreneur.

As to being squeezed out by foreign talent, don't blame a country when a company chooses an employee who works harder, is overqualified, complains less and accepts a lower wage. Look at yourself and ask yourself honestly why is it that a person who grew up in a third world country without all the advantages you had is more suitable for the job than you are.

Uncultured... well, maybe you haven't been mixing with the correct crowd. I can go to certain parts of the state and get into a fight over asking someone to put out a cigarette. I can also find you people who will apologize, and put it out, same in Singapore. I can also find people who are always the one who will be the first to take on the role of "supreme defender of the common good" who will launch into an abusive barrage on the poor smoker who strayed into his holy presence.

Lastly, those who judge should look upon themselves first. I distinctly remember posts that were judgmental, arrogant, racist (towards Singaporeans) and lacking in a certain level of empathy. But then should we expect more from you since you're a porno-web site operator (me being arrogant, judgemental and lacking in empathy).

Here I am, a frequent visitor to this site, insulting the founder. Hypocrisy is everywhere, I hope you recognize it in yourself instead of quoting one little part of this post.

Cheers.

[Max77]

Although i don't like to breath in 2nd hand smoke, but i feel tat a more rational approach to smokers at non-smoking area is not to approach him and demand him to stop. A child might lost his father, a women might become a widow.

Ppl who smoke freguently NEED to smoke. the feeling is like...Jus imagine this, u r starving to death trembling legs and hands, finally found a dirty bun on the floor, wanna pick up and eat it while some bugger who u barely know came by, step on the burger and point to the "NO EATING" sign on the wall. I believe u won't smile back right?

All this misunderstanding are caused by the inability to understand the mentality of a smoker.

Now come to understanding the mentality of SPF-S'pore Police Force, who used to blame the high crime rate wif not enuff man power. Hence comes Neighbourhood Watch and Citizen Arrest.

When they need YOU they'll say :"why u don't catch tat thief running away? Why u all leave everything to the police? Think we superman ah? "(real life experience)

When they don't need YOU they'll say :" Why u catch tat thief? U all act hero done everything liao now we POLICE no makan liao....wah lao eh (similar encounter)

So therefore my experience tells me tat Walking up to a stranger asking him to stop his smoke is an STUPID act. Informing the related personel of his errand is wiser. If it's in the hotel- there shift manager, if at the playground- walk away. Not trying to encourage the BOR CHARP attitude, but to cause a public commotion wif ur heroic act is STUPID.

Don't blame everything on others (SPF hear me loud and clear bor?)

YOU HAV A CHOICE. If u've made some silly mistakes, and feel like blaming it on someone else, DON'T, hate ONLY urself for it.

Those tat don't even understand themselves often blame it on others their sorry plight. Some blame it on the ethic group, some the gender, some the religion and some minority, the country (a non living thing).

From the way i see it, this country is a suitable place "so far" for my 后代 to fight their battle. Blame it on the their father ba, not smart enuff to emigrate to Australia...

Lastly I apologise to ppl I've offended. This is afterall a forum. I voiced out.

来来来, if zapping me makes u feel happy. Since 1-3000 same same, oni one rep power

[sammyboyfor]

Originally Posted by closetspacefull

Are you kidding me? No discrimination in Australia... If you're living in La La Land. Pauline Hanson and One Nation Party rings a bell?

I CAN tell you THIS. I faced far more discrimination in Singapore than I ever have in any other country The discrimination was leveled at me by none other than my fellow Singaporeans who happened to be of a different skin colour. I was once told straight in the face by my boss that I couldn't be promoted not because I was no good but because my peers would not like reporting to a person of my particular colour. Beat that!

In Australia, Pauline Hanson and the likes are nothing more a component of the broad political spectrum that exists in real democracies.

Australia has parties that push just about every agenda under the sun... communism, animal rights, legalise cannabis & euthanasia save the whales and so on.

Your citing of Pauline Hanson and one Nation to back up your argument that OZ is racist simply reflects your poor understanding of the democratic political process. It's not too hard to guess where you received your political education.

[cqueen]

As I am wrting this article at 0536hrs Brisbane local time, shivers went down my spine as I recalled vividly just a while ago, a car just sped past us (we were walking back to our Brisbane Hilton Hotel after some late night drinking n supper), some white Aussies threw a few beer bottles at us, shouting 'You Fucking Chinese" in their trail.

This is not the first time such incidents had happened to me and my colleagues while we were working in Perth, Sydney and Melbourne.

I have not heard or recall Singaporean treating their overseas counterparts working in Singapore with such verbal, abusive, discriminatory act of voilence.

[iCoPuLaTe]

Originally Posted by sammyboyfor

I was once told straight in the face by my boss that I couldn't be promoted not because I was no good but because my peers would not like reporting to a person of my particular colour. Beat that!

By far, tis is the most 夸张 thing i heard.

I've work wid indians,malays,chinese, all ok ah...still got wat colour?

EDITED: Could be due to PR skills? My friend company hv 1 very 怪兰 chinese worker, work efficency is good but very bad attitude, tat worker is due for promotion but the rest of the workers all kpkb & wan to quit. In te end, my friend promote a Indian guy to manager, all happy & even go go buffet celebrate.
1.人不服你，同胞都没用。
2.如有好的交情，你不上位；都会有人支持你。

[Max77]

Originally Posted by sammyboyfor

... I was once told straight in the face by my boss that I couldn't be promoted not because I was no good but because my peers would not like reporting to a person of my particular colour. Beat that!...

U think Obama become the president becoz he fit the bill? "they" want a black, it GONNA be a black.

U think 李伟联 are more talented than other talentime participants? "they" want a handicap, it GONNA be a handicap.

There r ppl like Mr Lee K Y ard to make sure things goes his way (which he himself think it's right oni probably).

Ppl wif higher power always manupilate those of lower ground. Tat's one of the fact of life! U can also see example in this forum also. But Bro Sam, do take note tat even Bro wif rep power of 1 can zap Bro wif unlimited power. Ur target is ur BOSS, not tat company, not the country he lived in.

MY guess was, Ur boss probably can't tell u tat u r a threat to his position, and tat the earliest u disappear, the better he'll be able to sleep at night. So the best way is...to make u feel so bad like commit suicide. I can see how well he has accomplished jus tat.

He has destroy ur believe and faith towards a normal life back then. But look at u now, talented, successful, well known. What didn't kill u makes u even more stronger.

But in the end, ur fear of not being able to understand wad actually did happened back then, proved to be too much to take for a person ur level of talent. Nobody can be a PhD of everythings, there's sure to be something u don't understand. Don't guess, stop seeking and start sharing ur life wif someone. Evrything become much more brighter when a man fall in love

[sammyboyfor]

Originally Posted by Max77

MY guess was, Ur boss probably can't tell u tat u r a threat to his position, and tat the earliest u disappear, the better he'll be able to sleep at night.

I gave you but one example. There are many more. EG: How about the time I was told by management NOT to hire Malays because they were all a bunch of good for nothing layabouts. That's right... every single Malay in the country tarred with the same brush in one fell sweep!

Then there were the verbal insults that I had to put up with on an ongoing basis from the majority race. When I confronted my tormentors, their response was that they were just joking and I should "relax" and not take things so seriously. The funny thing is they didn't look very "relaxed" when I responded with some racial stereotyping of the Chinese.

It's all very well for Singaporean Chinese to blithely declare that Singapore is not a racist country. They should try walking in the shoes of the minority races and they'd soon be singing a different tune.

The problem with many is that they don't realise what racism actually is till they're on the receiving end. Then, when they do get a taste of their own medicine, they can't seem to take it very well.

There is more to racism than just public abuse. The subtle covert racism is a lot worse and in Singapore, it permeates through the whole of society. Even the whores are racist.

[Big Sexy]

No Mate... Singapore is not a part of EAST ASIA.

East Asia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Southeast Asia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The UN subregion of Eastern Asia and other common definitions[3] of East Asia contain the entirety of the People's Republic of China[9] (including all SARs and autonomous regions), Taiwan (officially known as the Republic of China)[19], Japan, North Korea (Democratic People's Republic of Korea), South Korea (Republic of Korea), and Mongolia[3].

Originally Posted by gdgal88

Singapore is part of Southeast Asia rite? I remember reading about that in my geography textbook.. And since SEA is part of EA, doesnt that mean SG is part of EA? No??

[anathem]

A truly entertaining thread for once!

Well, to the bro that pointed out that Singapore isn't East Asian, perhaps you are right in strictly geographical terms. But geography isn't a hard science and even a scholarly field of study is surely not above being tainted by political considerations. Culturally speaking (and depending on who you ask), Singapore can be seen as an integral part or extension of East Asia, based on little more than the fact that its resident population features a "Chinese" majority. I am sure the multitude of unashamed Sinophiles in this forum (in every sense, heh) will welcome this association. Being righteous upholders (presumably) of the extremely laudable morals and virtues of Confucian/Asian/family values, not to mention the best tradition of Oriental paternalism and despotism, I am sure these kind folks will be more than happy to lobby for Singapore's inclusion in the East Asian "chopstick-and-hanzi-culture" bloc. Whatever the case may be, it is not necessarily wrong to see Singapore as both simultaneously Southeast Asian and East Asian. Digesting these terms would require recognizing them as the politically and culturally loaded terms they are, first and foremost.

Let's not take anything here too seriously, of course. You behave differently in different settings, altering your words and deeds as the situation dictates. Are you a different person, a hypocrite or even a schizophrenic? Probably not. Communication on the Net is very different from "real life". Undeniably, the kind of discourse that is generated might also be somewhat different (especially on a forum like this), in terms of content and format. So is it wrong that we all behave somewhat differently in cyberspace from our "other" existences? Trying to map online identities and patterns of behaviour to "real life" motivations and expecting a consistently 100% correspondence is just self-defeating. You play a character on a MMORPG and you get slaughtered. And so you spawn and come back to join the action again. It doesn't really intersect with your 'real life', does it? You didn't REALLY lose a limb to some magical blade wielded by an Elfin mage, now did you? So why would interaction on this board be any different?

Seriously, trying to prevent sock puppets, flamers, baiters and trolls from doing what they will anyway and then accusing them of this, that or some other trespass, as if they are real people who had committed crimes against humanity, wouldn't exactly end such behaviour, or would it? As long as the abuse doesn't prevent the kind of communication that the board was set up for, why worry or be too concerned? Why be so kiasu, for want of a better term? Will you ever know enough to go around attributing motives to the words and actions of others so assuredly? Maybe some folks just have anger management issues and need to let off steam. Yet others might just be doing it for cheap kicks and lulz. So how can you ever know? Your online identity may just be a reflection of you in some ways, but it is at most only a limited facet and an abstraction.

Of course for some bros (and sisters), this forum DOES interacts with "real life" in more concerete terms, for example, when they meet up with cheongster buddies from here to go KTV whoring together or make contacts with FLs based on intell obtained from the relevant sections, but other than that, what's the rest to you? I suppose the reputation system evolved as the samster "community" enlarged through the years and the sense of trust and mutual-reliance that can only be developed in a smaller and more closely-knit group evaporated: an immediate, easy-to-use and easy-to-discern way of tabulating the online reputation of a certain persona was thus needed. It isn't perfect but it has been gently tweaked across time and it works reasonably well for most users. Your rep gets zapped but you are still the multi-faceted you in other ways, in "real life". Surely SBF can't be your only hangout, right? You didn't lose a pound of blood when you got zapped and you certainly don't gain a pot of gold when you get upped. And c'mon, even if one's reputation is important, this isn't even YOUR real reputation; rep or not, this isn't the real you, because it's only a very limited and distorted reflection–only a cardboard persona of you, so why fret?

Similarly, let us not be so thin-skinned (or are you just hemming it up and having some fun as well, heheh) even when horrendously unfair and ugly insults are seemingly hurled (at one's parents, for example)? Relax, you are not just your avatar or your nick. The insults are just being directed at an imaginary you so even if they are not nice, what would getting worked up solve? Perhaps the originator was really just being nasty. Or maybe he was just having some fun hiding behind the anonymity of the Net. We are all doing that, to one extent or another so why take it all so seriously? Zaps or not, I do not see it as a question of cowardice per se at all. In any case, challenging another human being to a fight in "real life" is hardly a reflection of either intelligence or courage. What does violence prove–your supposed virility? If each and everyone of these self-styled urban warriors were so brave, upright and transparent as they claim they are, perhaps they ought to leave their "REAL" personal particulars in their online signatures, no? It all just sounds completely ridiculous and self-righteous (and endlessly entertaining, of course).

I mean just check out some of these nicks who repeatedly claim that points do not matter one iota to them. They happily hurl really nasty insults at whichever nick (especially those belonging to supposed noobs) that disagrees with them and will gladly take part in mass zapping campaigns yet cry foul when a single one of their precious points starts disappearing. And then you have those who claim mere words cannot affect or injure them, yet spend ALL their posts implying (subtly or not) just how rich, successful, powerful or well-connected they are in "real life" or just how much of an attractive (and manipulative) alpha male they are in the eyes of common whores. If words are really that pointless and inconsequential to you, why bother marking your turf with smooth phrases in such an disagreeable manner? It's really just laughable. Of course, maybe they're just having fun. Or maybe they REALLY do have inflated egos. Either way, would you care? Does it matter? It's just cheap laughs and a few minutes of subpar entertainment, that's all.

Seriously, why take anything here so seriously?

As for that stuff about identity, a sense of belonging, racism and more...Hmph, perhaps later.

[Big Sexy]

no mate..I am pro LKY and i am not agreeing with sam on all the points he presented. However i believe that everyone on this BBS has a right to their own opinions without being abused by fellow forumers for holding those views, and I take exception when people starts using label like "disgrace", "and "narrow minded" just because Sam happen to make an assessment of a point that differs from his.... Some people has no regard for anyone else's opinion on here unless it concurs with their own.

Originally Posted by gdgal88

I actually agree with sam and big sexy,